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Hackers Must Eject the SJWs, Says Legendary Hacker Eric Raymond

Hackers Must Eject the SJWs, Says Legendary Hacker Eric Raymond

by Giulio PriscoNovember 16, 2015

In a post titled “Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs,” legendary open-source software developer and Libertarian activist Eric Raymond, the author of “The Cathedral and the Bazaar,” warns that the hacker culture is under ideological attack from the so-called “Social Justice Warriors” (SWJs).

In his recent best-seller “SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police,” author Theodore Beale (nicknamed Vox Day) defines SJWs as:

They are the Social Justice Warriors, the SJWs, the self-appointed thought police who have been running amok throughout the West since the dawn of the politically correct era in the 1990s.

The Poisonous ‘Culture’ of Thought-Policing and Witch-Hunting

SJWs Always LieRaymond warns that the SJWs want to abandon what they call the “the pervasive cult of meritocracy” and replace it with a cult of diversity. “Open source projects suffer from a startling lack of diversity of participants, including women, people of color, and other underrepresented populations,” reads a tired SJW manifesto denounced by Raymond, who points out that meritocracy is and must remain a key part of the hacker culture.

“I’m not going to analyze SJW ideology here except to point out, again, why the hacker culture must consider anyone who holds it an enemy,” says Raymond. “This is because we must be a cult of meritocracy. We must constantly demand merit – performance, intelligence, dedication, and technical excellence – of ourselves and each other. [If] we allow the SJWs to remake us as they wish, into a hell-pit of competitive grievance-mongering and political favoritism for the designated victim group of the week – we will betray not only what is best in our own traditions but the entire civilization that we serve.”

This isn’t about women in tech, or minorities in tech, or gays in tech. The hacker culture’s norm about inclusion is clear: anybody who can pull the freight is welcome, and twitching about things like skin color or shape of genitalia or what thing you like to stick into what thing is beyond wrong into silly.”

Raymond is, rightfully, very worried about the poisonous “culture” of thought-policing and witch-hunting that the SJWs want to force on our society. SJWs are being ridiculed all over the Internet after the recent episodes of politically correct intolerance and mobbing in university campuses in the UK and the US, where the SJWs aggressively demand “safe spaces” where free thought and free speech aren’t allowed.

“A university is not a “safe space,” commented Richard Dawkins on Twitter.

If you need a safe space, leave, go home, hug your teddy & suck your thumb until ready for university.

The popular TV show South Park is mocking and ridiculing SJWs, and the viral video “Modern Educayshun” (two million views in the first week) hilariously shows SJWs’ “educational” philosophy. Before I forget, remember the bullshirtstorm. And here’s the latest pearl: Some SJWs in Minnesota rejected a proposal for a moment of recognition on future anniversaries of 9/11 terrorist attacks because “holding a moment of recognition over a tragedy committed by non-white perpetrators could increase racist attitudes on campus,” and others complain that their “safe space” demands receive less attention than the terror attack in Paris. Yes, really.

The open source community has, so far, resisted SJW attacks and affirmed the obvious: everyone is welcome to contribute, regardless of their skin color, gender, and sexual orientation (all of which are irrelevant), and all contributions are selected uniquely on the basis of their quality. Unfortunately, the SJWs keep trying to introduce “reverse” racism and sexism in the hacker culture, and there are rumors (unconfirmed) that they are trying to frame open source developers with fake sexual assault charges. Therefore, Raymond’s warning is timely and important. He says:

What’s there is totalitarianism in miniature: ideology is everything, merit counts for nothing against the suppression of thoughtcrime, and politics is conducted by naked intimidation against any who refuse to conform.

Ignore at your peril.

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  • Parrikle

    Meritocracies are exactly what the open source community should be. The difficulty is that for a meritocracy to work, it should be merit which is the one and only condition for success. Situations where people with the necessary skills are prevented from being involved destroy this. Sexism, (including “reverse sexism”), racism, (including “reverse racism”), harassment, and anything else which makes the environment less welcoming or approachable damages the meritocracy which we aspire to.

    The current lack of diversity in the open source movement is not necessarily a problem in itself, but it is indicative of a situation where some of the best people that the community needs may be being kept away or discouraged. If we need to actively make the community a more accepting place in order to get the best people, then this should be something to strive towards.

    With all that said, I really don’t have much time for Raymond’s “people are secretly plotting to create fake sexual assault charges against Torvalds” conspiracy. Unless there is more to it than an anonymous person on IRC making extreme claims, there is no value in giving this oxygen. Let Raymond provide real proof, or let the conspiracy theory die.

    • hurin

      A ‘may be’ monkeys will fly out my ass. Provide actual proof of talented programmers being kept away or discouraged, or don’t expect to be taken serious.

      Linus has been a target for crazy feminists for years, so it is not just some conspiracy.

      • Parrikle

        It is one thing to say people have “targeted” Linus. It’s another thing to claim a criminal conspiracy to create fake sexual assault charges based on an anonymous claim made over IRC.

        In regard to people being kept out – I gather from current statistics about the open source community that there is a problem with a lack of diversity. But that’s not the point I’m trying to make. My issue is that if it is the case the the community is keeping people away, then this damages the ability of open source to be a meritocracy. We can’t dismiss claims that the community is driving talented programmers away simply by saying that it is a meritocracy, and claim that we don’t need to make it a more equal environment. If merit is to be the only factor that determines one’s place in open source, then we need to make sure that it is the only factor – that the treatment of people based on gender, race, religion or any other issue is not preventing those with the skills the community needs from taking part. The extent to which this is a problem is another debate, but making a welcoming environment where anyone with skill can flourish is not something that happens without effort.

        • hurin

          Speculating endlessly about mythical diverse programmers who are being kept away is completely pointless. Statistics also shows us that 100% of all sewer workers are male, but I have yet to hear a single feminist demand that more women work in sewers.

          Maybe programming simply doesn’t appeal to girls the same way it does to boys.

          Please identify by name programmers who wan’t to contribute but are being kept away.

          • Parrikle

            I have a hassle with the knee-jerk “SJWs are evil” claim, where any argument that improving how people are treated in the open source community is met with claims that it is already perfect, and therefore doesn’t need improving. Why is there this resistance to a simple claim that treating people better is a good idea? Because that’s what this boils down to – don’t be sexist, don’t be racist, don’t use language that alienates people, don’t harass people. Don’t put up barriers that might make it harder for skilled people to contribute, and pull down any that exist. Worst case scenario is that the open source community continues to lack diversity, but people are politer. Best case is that a greater range of different people will get involved, improving the community and the projects.

            In regard to examples, that’s not something I have a lot of experience in, although I do encounter it daily in wider STEM fields. People who have commented on it include a piece by Ashe Dyden:


            And I really liked the piece by Mulllins and Cook, which stood out as a good argument for broadening the skills that the open source movement is looking for:


          • Shrom

            http:[email protected]ogroup.org
            “Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:
            ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’”

            This is what these CoC’s are about, creating “safe spaces” for every group but hetero white men. These may be trolled, harassed or attacked.

          • Parrikle

            That’s your interpretation. Personally, I see something different, although i also disagree with the statement regarding “reversisms”. Fundamentally, if the open source community was more respectful of personal interactions, along with the existing technical ones, it would be a better place for everyone involved. This wouldn’t be the case if it permitted anyone to be trolled, harassed or attacked, regardless of gender, race or religion.

          • plasmacutter

            That’s your interpretation.


            Forgive my incredulity: It’s spelled out explicitly!

            The fact is that these people want to put tone policing over getting anything done, the obvious intent being to parasitically attach to communities and re-focus them on their narcissistic drama rather than their original purpose!

          • Shrom

            Tolerance for intolerance being a fundamental aspect of SJW’s, these CoC’s also introduce intolerance for tolerance. “Nice job there, have a hug” is a microagression, the latest meme from sociologists.
            Even though the moderators might disregarded this absurdity, it gives the feminazis and other extremists ammunition. Roll a dice and if unlucky they will start dogpiling. Enjoy your removal, “harasser” and “stalker”.

            I don’t want SJW’s to guard the gates of opensource, I also don’t want them to inject sociological memes. You cannot please them. Stop trying.

          • Giulio Prisco

            I like the Mulllins and Cook piece and I totally agree on “there is an abundance of [non-coding] contributions and skill sets that are just as valuable to the community.”

            Example – developing the Linux kernel needs only hard coding, but developing the user-friendly Ubuntu needs also user interface design, accessibility, localization, and other “softer” elements.

            Merging Linux kernel and Ubuntu interface development would probably create a culture clash, so things work better with two separate projects where one depends on the other but is free to expand on it.

            In general, open source development is layers upon layers upon layers, and that works well in practice. There is nothing that prevents a team to create their own project, where they can improve in coding, non-coding, and why not also cultural aspects of other projects.

          • Parrikle

            I don;t know if it will help, but Sarah Sharp gave an excellent account of why she left because of the situation within the Linux kernel community.


          • Giulio Prisco

            Sarah’s main point is: “Linux kernel maintainers are often blunt, rude, or brutal to get
            their job done. Top Linux kernel developers often yell at each other in
            order to correct each other’s behavior.
            That’s not a communication style that works for me.”

            I also prefer working with people with a calm and polite communication style, but that’s not the issue here. It would be different if the kernel developers were nice to straight white men but rude to others. But I don’t think that’s the case, and Sarah doesn’t say it is. She is just saying that she left because she doesn’t like a blunt communication style. She isn’t making a gender issue.

          • gaultfalcon

            My sincere hope is that someone here deeply hurts your feelings and that precipitates a scenario where you go to a reclusive “safe space” never to emerge distracting us with your confusion on basic human action.

          • Corey Hendrix

            You want to say something about programming by saying something about women’s brains versus men’s brains. If you want a meritocracy, then stick to talking about programming, and leave the brain science to the neuroscientists and the social science to the social scientists. (btw, the Y chromosome is the male one, not X. Everyone has X) I do research in neuroscience, on vision in the brain specifically, and we don’t even make claims about other parts of the brain that fall outside of the area that we study. There is a lot of great research by neuroscientists about men’s and women’s brains if you are interested.

        • codeGrit

          > the treatment of people based on gender, race, religion or any other issue is not preventing those with the skills the community needs from taking part.

          It just doesn’t happen that way. As someone who’s contributed to, and maintained, open source projects for 15+ years, I’ve never seen anyone have the information required to base their decisions on anything other than merit. I’ve never seen anyone say “What race are you?” or “What gender are you?” on a pull request. It’s completely irrelevant.

          I’ve seen people use their race, or gender, as a means of getting an otherwise sub-par PR accepted.. but I’ve never seen a great PR not accepted because someone asked the committers gender/race.

          • Parrikle

            Others have seen things differently, and have said that they have witnessed people being harassed, driven away, and discouraged because of their gender. Certainly there is a problem shown in the statistics – according to Dryden, women account for 28% of contributors to propriety software, but only 1.5% of contributors to open source. Even if it isn’t quite that big a difference, it suggests that the open source community is missing out.

          • plasmacutter

            A friend of a friend of a friend saw a UFO once.

            We should clearly be diverting every dollar of defense spending to combatting the imminent and pressing AYYLAMO threat!

          • hurin

            Or the more likely reason is the 28% counts women who aren’t actually programmers.

          • Parrikle

            Maybe that’s the case, although speaking as a developer, open source projects need more than just people who can cut code. However, if it is the case that coders are significantly less than 28%, then mostly that just reminds us that we’re missing out on talented people in propriety development, too.

          • hurin

            No we really aren’t. Just we aren’t missing out on female sewer workers. Programming simply doesn’t appeal as much to girls as it does to boys because their brains aren’t wired the same way.
            Proprietary software contains a lot more graphics than open software, so that is likely where the 28% comes from.

          • Parrikle

            As soon as you say that girl’s brains aren’t suited to programming, you are positioning your views as exactly the sort of thing we need to fight against. Speaking from years of experience, women are just as likely to be skilled at programming as men.

          • hurin

            Women also aren’t suited to be firefighters, because they lack the muscle tissue needed to carry people to safety, which is why the only way for people like you to get them accepted is to lower the standards on the physical tests.

            The reality is that the X chromosome carries a lot more than just a penis.

          • Parrikle

            Sorry, but I’m calling bullshit on this. Yes, there are physical differences between men and women, but to say that women don’t have the brains to be good at programming is 1950’s sexist rubbish. The world has moved on from that. I have worked with and trained thousands of programmers, and the women were just as good as the men.

            I guess there’s no point in continuing this line. This is exactly the sort of view that we’re fighting against in the industry. Programming skill is not something that comes down to gender.

          • hurin

            No I guess there really isn’t. Because I also call bullshit on your claim to have trained programmer.

            In reality you’re probably unemployed and living in a basement somewhere.

          • hurin

            It is the same in online gaming. Most of the time you have no idea about the sex and race of the people you’re playing with or against, which is why the accusations of gaming being hostile to women are so absurd.

        • plasmacutter

          Shouldn’t you be trolling /r/wikinaction defending biased admins perma-banning editors for “wrongthink”?

          • Parrikle

            No, that’s more of a hobby. Although strangely enough, I’m opposed to biased admins banning editors for “wrongthink”.

          • plasmacutter

            Apparently you’ve confused the definitions of “support” and “oppose” again judging by your activity on that subreddit. Do continue with your mendacity though.

        • Giulio Prisco

          Re “The extent to which this is a problem is another debate, but making a welcoming environment where anyone with skill can flourish is not
          something that happens without effort.”

          And how does widespread thought-policing and witch-hunting create “a welcoming environment where anyone with skill can flourish”?

          • Parrikle

            If that is what is being called for, it doesn’t. If the call is for improving how we work with other people in the open source community, it will. Calling for better behaviour and increasing diversity doesn’t necessarily equate to calling for a witch hunt.

          • Giulio Prisco

            And that’s the problem indeed. The SJWs don’t call for better behavior and improving how we work with other people – nobody would disagree with that, I most certainly wouldn’t. The SJWs call for censorship, which hunts, and mobbing.

            Suppressing free thought and free speech and mobbing those who dare to disagree is NOT a way to improve how we work with others.

            I like sport and sport fans, but I don’t like hooligans. If the SJWs behave like hooligans, they deserve being treated like hooligans.

          • Parrikle

            The problem is that this isn’t how “SJW” is being used – it is being used as a catch all for people fighting for improving inclusiveness in FOSS. Using your analogy, it is as if every sports fan is being categorized as a hooligan simply because they like sports. What ESR calls a witch hunt is just as likely to be nothing more than a reasonable call for improved behaviour – the term is thrown around to try and say that the open source community is already great, and these “horrible SJWs” are infiltrating the movement to destroy it. The movement is not perfect, and it has a poor record for how it has treated women, to it’s own detriment. Yet when it is argued that this can and should be improved, we get “SJW!” thrown around, and claims like here where we are told that women don’t have the “right brains” for programming.

            Change is always difficult. Making any community more inclusive is painful and heavily resisted by those who either like it how it is, or who refuse to look at the problems. But change can be necessary, and the open source community needs to change in order to grow stronger. Calling for this doesn’t make me an SJW, even though I see I’m already being called one, but it does make me someone who cares about open source and how it will grow into the future.

          • Giulio Prisco

            Re “What ESR calls a witch hunt is just as likely to be nothing more than a reasonable call for improved behaviour.”

            Those are two different things. Some people reasonably call for respectful behavior, and some other people – the SJWs – call for thought-policing, witch hunts, and mobbing. Just like some people like sports, and some other people – the hooligans – use sports as a pretext to smash heads.

            Sport fans know that the hooligans discredit them and make people think that every sport fan is a hooligan. Therefore, they try to disown and marginalize the hooligans. That’s what, I suggest, those who really care for social justice should do.

            My main concern is that SJWs are discrediting social justice and making it ridiculous. Pasting from my previous article:

            I find the SJWs very annoying. But they are also dangerous, because they are making social justice – the hard-won policies of equal opportunity for everyone regardless of their ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation – ridiculous, and giving the high moral ground to the real enemies of social justice. I don’t like Vox Day and Breitbart – please don’t let them be right.

            The fundamentalist identity politics of SJWs is menacing the rights – won with blood – to free speech and free thought, creating social tensions, and pushing social tensions to the breaking point where bad things, like fake criminal charges or worse, could really happen.

          • Parrikle

            There are always extremists, and I’m with you in agreeing that the term “SJW” can be used to describe them, and that extremists are a problem. The issue I have is that it is also used to describe anyone arguing for any change on social grounds, to such an extent that it has lost all meaning. When someone says “SJW” they might mean “extremist”, but they might be using it just to devalue someone who’s argument is perfectly reasonable, but with whom they disagree. We’ve reach a point where overuse of the term has rendered it meaningless, and when someone handwaves at the “SJW menace” I don’t know if they are referring to the worst extremists, or just anyone arguing for inclusion and diversity. Or, indeed, if they see a distinction.

            Looking at Raymond’s article, it reads as a “reds under the bed” diatribe. From the article, I gather that evil, unnamed and ill-defined SJWs are trying to destroy the open source movement by using calls for diversity and inclusionist language as part of their cunning plan. There’s nothing in there to suggest that Raymond is distinguishing between more reasonable approaches and the extremists. This isn’t a call to stop the extremest elements, so much as a call to stop pushes for increased diversity and inclusiveness in order to prevent this terrible evil from getting a foothold.

            I share your concern about extremists. But from what I see in Raymond’s article, the call is to fight any change to improve diversity and inclusiveness, using the SJW menace as an excuse. It feels an awful lot like the McCarthyism of old.

          • Giulio Prisco

            Re “[T]hey might be
            using it just to devalue someone who’s argument is perfectly reasonable,
            but with whom they disagree… when someone handwaves at the “SJW menace” I don’t know if they are
            referring to the worst extremists, or just anyone arguing for inclusion
            and diversity. Or, indeed, if they see a distinction.”

            Of course there are also anti-SJW extremists, who take advantage of the growing anti-SJW sentiment to advance their own political agenda.

            But that’s exactly my point: SJWs are handing weapons to the real enemies of social justice.

            That fringe lunatic extremists are against you isn’t a real problem. You have a real problem when reasonable people turn against you.

          • plasmacutter

            pushing social tensions to the breaking point where bad things, like fake criminal charges or worse, could really happen.

            Too late on that “could happen”, try “have happened”: Mattress girl, UVA, California and New York’s guilty until proven innocent “yes means yes” laws, slimgr, and 8chan are examples.

            Their latest tactic against online outlets which allow speech they dislike is to upload mountains of kiddie porn and report to the webhost to have the whole site and domain seized.

          • hurin

            Can confirm the part about the kiddie porn. So far SJW’s have targeted 8chan, Voat and Slimgur using these tactics.

          • plasmacutter

            he problem is that this isn’t how “SJW” is being used – it is being used as a catch all for people fighting for improving inclusiveness in FOSS.

            What a blatant motte and bailey argument.

            Every reasonable person knows to remove cancer from their communities.

            The push for explicit and rigid “Codes of Conduct” comes with the obvious ulterior motive of “gaming” those codes of conduct in order to eject eminently qualified people over petty personal grievances or unrelated political stances, as happened in Opalgate and Mozilla.

          • Sean Pan

            This is ridiculous. The communication is rough and unpleasant because the same viciousness precludes the passions of great achievers. Creating “safe spaces” is like having a therapist for a drill sarge. IT DOES NOT WORK.

            “How did that push up make you feel, soldier? I accept you unconditionally as you are. Take a break if the run is too hard.”

            Fuck that.

          • Parrikle

            I find it interesting that the analogies given are things like firefighters and soldiers. Software development doesn’t have to be combative. There are other models which work, are inclusive of a range of different people, and produce superb code.

          • Sean Pan

            I’m one of the top paid automation engineers(a “mercenary consultant”) and am closing in on two decades of experience, growing up in hacking communities starting from old style BBSes. The best coders are ten, sometimes a hundred times better – it is a competitive field.

            Other models of what? Letting the weakest chain drag down the others? Sure, go ahead. You do that, please, have the SJWs keep up trying to make stuff and failing as they always do.

            Because that infection is weakness.

          • Parrikle

            Working in a volunteer environment such as Open Source is a different situation than working in a commercial environment. Even in a commercial setting, getting the best staff can involve making sure that you have an environment in the work place where they are comfortable and willing to stay in. That said, money can overcome a lot of issues. In open source, we are asking skilled programmers to sacrifice their time in order to build something that we can all share in. Alienating some of the best of those programmers through creating a non-inclusive and combative environment isn’t in the interests of the movement.

            Even if the best coders do need a competitive environment, that’s not necessarily the coders you have in most projects. Some models, such as things like Scrum, make the best use of the skills you have on had. What you describe is one approach, but it isn’t necessarily the best one.

          • Sean Pan

            There are a few reasons why people contribute time and value; one of the most consistent ones – just look at any gaming – is the sense of competition. You see that on GIT all of the time, and the open source projects which I follow.

      • jlenoconel

        He created Linux. Fuck this bitch. These feminists basically want to take over something men have created and claim it as their own.

    • plasmacutter

      Shouldn’t you be back on wikipedia banning people for wrongthink? Seriously, there’s someone, somewhere on wikipedia disagreeing with feminism. You should go purge them right now!

      • hurin

        Wikipedia has become a cesspit of disinformation. The way it works is that only reliable sources can be used, and reliable just means whatever the editor agrees with.

      • Carol Moore

        Wikipedia? Isn’t that the place where men are applauded for inferring someone is a cunt but women are banned for inferring they are a “wanker”??

        • plasmacutter

          Sorry, I can’t hear you over the cries of the legions banned for daring to question feminists on wikipedia. I’ve counted 100+ experienced editors banned or retired over the past year alone.

          • Carol Moore

            Would that it were true that the more abusive and/or sexist editors had left. Some left after this arbitration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate

          • plasmacutter

            editors who refuse to help me push my bigoted, man-hating pov are ‘sexist” and “abusive”

            Shouldn’t you be whining before a UN panel on “cyberviolence”?

            Oh.. and yet another case of projection, calling people sexist for opposing YOUR sexism.

    • Giulio Prisco

      Re “I really don’t have much time for Raymond’s “people are secretly plotting to create fake sexual assault charges against Torvalds” conspiracy”

      Neither do I, but the allegation has a somewhat plausible flavor. Pasting from my previous article:

      Normally, unsubstantiated rumors spread by unidentified informants in
      online chat rooms shouldn’t be taken seriously. In fact, I think the
      rumor is at least exaggerated… I don’t take this rumor seriously. But unconfirmed rumors don’t go viral without deep reasons. In this case, the reason is that Raymond’s post touched an open nerve. Unfortunately, there are more and more disturbing cases of political correctness run dangerously amok in the tech world.

      • hurin

        Dooglegate, Shirtstorm and Tim Hunt. I have absolutely no problem believing feminists are trying to take scalps for no other reason than to increase their standing among their peers.

  • gerton shref

    Yes! Thank you Eric Raymond, I hope more major voices come out against this cancer.


  • P. H. Madore

    SJW is not a noun, it is a pejorative. A more responsible tack would have been to put it in quotation marks. That said, I agree with Raymond about 80%.

    • Giulio Prisco

      Raymond didn’t put it in quotes, but I did 🙂

      • P. H. Madore

        Not in the title. Which you should have.

        • Giulio Prisco

          That wouldn’t have been appropriate. This isn’t a neutral informative article, I mostly agree with Raymond and I wanted to make that clear in the title. I don’t necessarily agree with other Raymond’s writings, but I mostly agree with what he says here.

  • Cowicide

    Ignore at your peril.

    I’ll ignore most of this weak, stunted, libertarian drivel and there will be zero peril in doing so. I’ll leave the victimizing of oneself from the scary-wary feminists, progressives, etc. to the paranoid, obsessive weaklings.

    • Giulio Prisco

      Careful, “weaklings” is an insensitive term that violates the safe space of a protected identity 🙂

      • Shrom

        Stop stalking, harassing, tone policing and being generally problematic to him 🙁 You’re on the wrong side of history, libertarian scum! The feminist future world will be great, the government will be so massive and all-controlling, how can this not turn out great!

    • Shrom

      If libertarianism is 3 flavors of bad, do you think authoritarianism is 3 flavors of good?

      • Cowicide
        • Shrom

          > weak, stunted, libertarian drivel
          > the paranoid, obsessive weaklings.
          > attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent’s position.

          How did I create a strawman (and how did you not create a strawman :^)? You called libertarianism 3 flavors of bad, namely: weak, stunted, paranoid. Do you deny you made these claims? If you don’t, then I did not create a strawman.

          Also: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

          Should’ve left it at that link, but I just can’t help it, I have to use arguments, Sorry, crazy SJW

          • Cowicide

            How did I create a strawman

            By being purposefully obtuse or just, plain dense. Your pick.

          • Shrom

            You’re not very good at being a sophist. 2/10 troll

  • Parrikle

    I agree fully with the importance of the best code. The issue is that to have the best code we need the best programmers. If we’re missing out on good developers because the community is excluding them, then this is to the detriment of the open source movement.

    • plasmacutter

      If we’re missing out on good developers because the community is excluding them,

      “if”, “if”, “IF”

      “If we’re the subject of an alien invasion”

      “If the nazis won wwII”

      “If nanomachines run wild and eat the planet”

      Provide a solid, peer reviewed, fully-cited, and credible mountain of evidence for this hypothetical or I will simply say you’re a paranoid lunatic.

  • Hikaru